France-Romania: Leave Streams and Comments Here (and Ribery and Lloris are doubtful)

Terry from florida is right. Domenech has waisted a generation of spectacular talent.

Posted from  United States

You guys are pretty harsh on your team. France played some good football and was extremely unlucky not to win this one, but it’s not really the end of the world. This draw ensures that France does not hold it’s own destiny in it’s own hands, and that is really a reason to be frustrated, but sometimes I get the feeling you thought that France’s place at the top of the group was granted simply because of it’s quality on paper.

Since the very start of these qualifiers, France didn’t play good enough to win the group and the recent wins against Lithuania and The Faroe Islands (1-0 each) weren’t very spectacular at all. France had the chance to redeem itself by defeating both Romania and Serbia, but the failiure to do so isn’ really so suprising. You have seemed to calculate the victory in Belgrade as already achieved, but judging by the recent results and team form, Serbia are going to be favourites for this one, not France. So, when you say you JUST had to win the next two games, you seem to forget who are you playing against.

But nothing isn’t over yet. France still has a chance to shine and Serbia still has the chance to blow up everything it had achieved so far. And the second place isn’t so bad at all after all France has shown. It wouldn’t be the first or the last time that a major European side has qualified for a major tournament via the play-offs and then showed their quality on the tournament proper. I hope that the same thing happens to France, a football nation that I rate very highly.

Ok Nikola, but if Domenech wasn’t coach I fervantly believe that France could easily beat Romania and Serbia, neither of which should even stand a chance against the players available for France. We have good reason to be harsh on this team.

Posted from  United States

When are we going to start blaming the players? The own goal took the wind out of their sails and in the last 20-25 minutes most of them looked tired and looking for answers. If they are so good they should adapt to any formation. They’re fuggin professionals no?

@Thomas: Well yes, I agree you have to be harsh on your team in general, a blind man can see that this team is capable of much, much more, and that Domenech is probably the reason it doesn’t function the way it should. But what I mean is that this result wasn’t so unexpected and that it is the same kind of play France has produced so far under Domenech.

And about Romania and Serbia, you seem to underestimate teams simply because of the names you can read on paper. That same Romania managed to top the group featuring The Netherlands in the last EURO qualifiers and managed to stay undefeated in the last 4 matches with France and Italy. Serbia, on the other hand, didn’t really show much during the last several years but is in a terrific run of form and has some players of world-class quality like Vidić, Ivanović and Stanković in it’s ranks. More importantly, it showed it can work as a team.

Personally, I think France can defeat Serbia in Belgrade, but the joy of international football is actually about the fact that teams win, and not the players. So, you can’t really say “shouldn’t even stand a chance” about the teams that have proved their quality as a group. Serbia in these and Croatia in the last qualifiers show just what good TEAMS can do to vastly superior opponents. If Domenech is to be blamed for anything, it’s the fact that he hadn’t created a team out of France. Radomir Antić did just that do Serbia and the results are clearly seen. If France win on wednesday, it will be because of sheer brilliance of it’s players, because from everything seen so far, Serbia is actaully a superior team.

This game could have easily been 3-0 if France had luck on their side.

Posted from  United States

Does anyone know why Escude was chosen over Abidal? Romania didn’t look like scoring from anything short of a spectacularly stupid play. Enter Escude.

Now the sole option (for automatic qualification) is to win out, then hope that Romania still has some backbone v. Serbia.

Overall, I thought the speed of play was too slow, passes were being telegraphed and they weren’t changing sides with sufficient quickness to upset a side whose sole interest was not conceding. Anelka was a waste of space, first ignoring open teammates then deciding “Hey, maybe I will move for that excellent Henry cross.”

Henry looked excellent. But when Ribery came on, suddenly they stopped playing to him. The arrival of Benzema made matters even worse.

The only to break a bus is with excellent wing play, absent a true central striker. Your backs have to come up to press. Evra might as well have been at the Stade de France snack stand, and Braid Boy just plays too slowly.

Argh. Playoffs to qualify? Really?

Hopes of being rid of Dumbenech are nonexistent at this late point, so we’ll dance with the moron that we came with. Not. Happy.

By the by, the TV5 coverage was excellent (thank you, Comcast!). A valid option for those who don’t want to stream.

Nikola, our frustration hardly has anything to do with what happened today. It is a collective of what’s been happening since the end of the 06 World Cup. Our struggle to qualify for the EUROs(losses to Scotland), embarrassing performances in unimportant friendlies with our A-squad (Argentina, Nigeria anyone?), the what-I-will-not-speak of performance at the EUROs, and now our pathetic attempt to qualify for the WC. Sure we can blame the players, but did the players select themselves? No. Do the players really want to play a 4-2-3-1? No. Sure we can criticize Benzema for his horrid strike rate with the team, but when you’ve appeared as a sub in 60% of your caps and have been played out of position in 80% of them, its really hard too. Everything leads to one person. The selections, the tactics, the formations, everything.

You say we, as supporters, are underestimated Romania and Serbia. We are not. We know these are good national teams that have stockpiles of talent and are now on a sort of equal standing ground with France. Problem is, Domenech LET THEM get on equal terms with us by hindering our national team’s development as a whole for the past three years.

Posted from  United States

je suis sur que france will not qualify for wc and that’s good

Posted from  United States

THIS IS WHAT I THINK, Diaby in stead of toulalan,Abidal for escude, win the next three games, serbia will drop 1 point some where if not 2 the playoffs, @ the end it’s a win win situation, we don’t win ,domenech is out that Will be the one of the best things in french soccer history, we win and WE go to SA will be happy but we need to be realistic on paper french should world champion, the french president was not stupid when he made the comments about domenech so did the coach of romania he said the value of the french plyers is tremendous thank domenech is the coach….HE WAS RIGHT…SHIT I THINK THE USA COULD take on France,with another coach not too many teams could

Les Bleus heading to the home-away playoff. Which will not be easy

@Jao: I actually do agree with you about everything you said, France’s results aren’t anywhere near the quality it possesses and it’s a good enough reason for a football fan to be pissed. I was just saying that with the condition this team is in under Domenech France simply ISN’T as good as it could be and you can’t really expect enough from it at the moment. The team doesn’t function well and it can’t change in a game or two, it’s even a question if it can change at all under Domenech. And I’m saying all of this as someone who actually supports the French team and hadn’t the draw placed France with Serbia, I would definitely be behind it during these qualifiers. And as I plan to support France at the next World Cup, they better sort themselves out and reach the tournament via the play-offs.

Sigh, we are heading to the crap shoot that is the 2nd place playoffs. My thoughts on the game-

http://tinyurl.com/mpsw2q

8 runners up of 9 groups make it through. To calculate this, they exclude the games against the bottom place groups as one group has 5 teams in it. There’s a chance we might not make it to the playoffs

Posted from  United Kingdom

Guys, it could be a reality that you guys might meet us(italians9 in the play offs..iam being honest, our Azzurri look very stale and the old guard is pathetic..we r crawling with Zambrotta, pirlo, camoronesi, gilardino,pepe, palombo..it is real possibilty that Italia could be in playoffs/ or even miss out if we lose against Bulgaria and ireland in our next two matches…how about a Frence/italy play off battle??could happen very well and definately if it happens, i see that france are in a much better shape than us

Posted from  Spain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEH8XDpLG4A&feature=popular

sorry guys, France dominated the game totally but the Henry goal was an offside, Henry and also the white player were offside clearly…Hope that you get a result against Serbia

Posted from  Spain

how was the match
was busy yesterday so fortunately i didnt see the match

Posted from  Netherlands

That replay in the YouTube video is a bad angle. A clearer replay shown later in the match showed Henry was plainly not offside at the time the ball was played off Gallas’ head — he just went forward very quickly afterward.

The other Henry “goal” that happened later was rightly ruled offside, even though it LOOKED less offside than this one. (He was offside when the ball was played, but defenders moved forward after the ball was played, making him look as if he were onside when he struck the ball.)

These referees knew what they were doing.

“Henry and also the white player?” Huh? What? Both are Les Bleus. As laurie said, he was spot on for the first goal (TV5 ran a replay with a very clear line), and way off for the second, which was pulled back.

Now, the match should have been a moot point by then, but that’s something else altogether.

Has Dumbenench offered up a reasonable explanation for running Escude over Abidal? I’ve been looking, but haven’t found one. Diego Maradona is the only coach to keep Ruh-Roh from winning the “Least With the Most” bad coaching award.

@ Sam and GFC,

Someone has done a stellar job on Wikipedia of documenting how the second-place teams stack up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)

France ranks third, but as 9 champs league points out, lots can change in the next three games. Yeah, Italy is a potential opponent, but so are Scotland, Russia, Portugal, and … Germany. For now, though, a win in Belgrade is a definite possibility, in which case nothing’s likely settled until Oct. 14.

I don’t know, call me lame but Frey is one of the best goalies in the world in my opinion. I believe he can be a difference maker for les bleus.

Posted from  Canada

What remains is that France played very nicely offensive for 75% of the game, and created situations which would have given goals if it were not for bad luck and a great keeper.
The two things I can blame Domenech on is to have put Benzéma in for Gourcuff, which instantly took depth out of the attack, although is was a gamble, I think he was banking on the Romanians being tired and hopefully one of these talented attackers would come up with a good personal action (each of them 4 individually could tip the scale for sure).
Secondly, to have let Escudé in, who got badly smoked by a very talented player (to be fair) – but then why was he playing so unlike himself? That’s the Mexes syndrome I guess.
I think for the rest, Domenech did fine. The 2 DMs provided a lot of safety and recuperation which, with good passing, went straight to the attack. Plus the came up also and became a little more offensive, which was a good thing. I don’t think really that selecting different players would have given a different result. The strategy was mostly good.
What else is a coach to do? to teach the players how to shoot the ball in stressful situations? I mean they do that every week!
I don’t care whether the coach is Domenech or anybody else. You might not like his style, his face, his glasses or suits. But let’s be fair at least.

Check out the comments made by Henry:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=674015&sec=worldcup2010&cc=5901

“Coach, we have something to tell you. I am speaking in the name of the squad.

“We are getting bored during your training sessions. In 12 years with the French team, I have never been in such a situation. We do know how to play, where to be on the pitch or how to organise. We do not know what to do. We have no stye, no guidelines. It is not working.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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