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		<title>By: Sam Levenback &#187; Football citizenship</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Levenback &#187; Football citizenship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by France and the African nation of their parent&#8217;s birth. Some, like Arsenal fullback Bacary Sagna, choose to play for France. Sagna was born south of Paris to Senegalese parents. On the other hand, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by France and the African nation of their parent&#8217;s birth. Some, like Arsenal fullback Bacary Sagna, choose to play for France. Sagna was born south of Paris to Senegalese parents. On the other hand, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: killa</title>
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		<dc:creator>killa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually djibril cisse is from senegal not ivory cost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually djibril cisse is from senegal not ivory cost</p>
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		<title>By: sandrahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandrahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fab as usual demonstrates his ignorance and bigotry.

The overwhelming majority of France&#039;s NT were either born and raised in France (making them French citizens, educated and trained there) or emigrated to France at very young ages (as toddlers or small children) -- and were raised, educated and trained in France.  Just because I was born in Brazil and emigrated to the US at the age of 4 doesn&#039;t mean I am not an &quot;authentic American&quot;, whatever that means.  It means that I am both Brazilian and American.  The sheer stupidity of people like Fab beggars belief.  Barack Obama, currently running for president, has an African father who emigrated to the US.  Obama was born and raised in the US, as was Sagna.  Is Obama not a &quot;real&quot; American?

For me the bottom line here is that it&#039;s entirely up to the player.  Freddy Kanoute was born in France but his family hails from Mali.  He had the choice of playing for either country and chose to play for Mali.  Sagna wants to play for France, the country where he was born, raised, and trained in football.  Whatever their reasons, it&#039;s their individual choice.  I also lament at the affect on smaller, poorer nations but players shouldn&#039;t be shackled to play for countries they weren&#039;t even born and raised in if they choose not to.

Arsenal&#039;s Eduardo da Silva was born in Brazil and emigrated to Croatia at the age of 15.  He acclimatized himself to the culture, married a Croatian, became Dinamo Zagreb&#039;s most important player (and team captain) and chose to take Croatian nationality.  He is now Croatia&#039;s best striker, a very critical member of the NT.  He speaks the language fluently but has never forgotten Portuguese and keeps regular contact with relatives in Brazil.  He is both Brazilian and Croatian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fab as usual demonstrates his ignorance and bigotry.</p>
<p>The overwhelming majority of France&#8217;s NT were either born and raised in France (making them French citizens, educated and trained there) or emigrated to France at very young ages (as toddlers or small children) &#8212; and were raised, educated and trained in France.  Just because I was born in Brazil and emigrated to the US at the age of 4 doesn&#8217;t mean I am not an &#8220;authentic American&#8221;, whatever that means.  It means that I am both Brazilian and American.  The sheer stupidity of people like Fab beggars belief.  Barack Obama, currently running for president, has an African father who emigrated to the US.  Obama was born and raised in the US, as was Sagna.  Is Obama not a &#8220;real&#8221; American?</p>
<p>For me the bottom line here is that it&#8217;s entirely up to the player.  Freddy Kanoute was born in France but his family hails from Mali.  He had the choice of playing for either country and chose to play for Mali.  Sagna wants to play for France, the country where he was born, raised, and trained in football.  Whatever their reasons, it&#8217;s their individual choice.  I also lament at the affect on smaller, poorer nations but players shouldn&#8217;t be shackled to play for countries they weren&#8217;t even born and raised in if they choose not to.</p>
<p>Arsenal&#8217;s Eduardo da Silva was born in Brazil and emigrated to Croatia at the age of 15.  He acclimatized himself to the culture, married a Croatian, became Dinamo Zagreb&#8217;s most important player (and team captain) and chose to take Croatian nationality.  He is now Croatia&#8217;s best striker, a very critical member of the NT.  He speaks the language fluently but has never forgotten Portuguese and keeps regular contact with relatives in Brazil.  He is both Brazilian and Croatian.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny is that the FIFA/UEFA thing made it eight months without anybody commenting on it or me catching it.  Funny thing is, my brain knows the difference, but my fingers sometimes go their own way.  Fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny is that the FIFA/UEFA thing made it eight months without anybody commenting on it or me catching it.  Funny thing is, my brain knows the difference, but my fingers sometimes go their own way.  Fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, Platini isn&#039;t head of FIFA, he&#039;s the new big cheese over UEFA.

More importantly, I&#039;m amazed that more of you aren&#039;t considering the patriotic side to this. I&#039;ll bet that each of these players have a preferred ideal for who they would wish to represent. Which country they feel they owe their allegiance to.

Most people on here seem to be just talking about players playing for the national team that they can, where they have some link to allow it.

For me, I was born and raised in England but have a Welsh grandfather and some players have managed to argue their way onto national teams via such tenuous links. However, if I were good enough to play for Wales and not England, I would feel like a right fraud pulling on a Wales jersey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, Platini isn&#8217;t head of FIFA, he&#8217;s the new big cheese over UEFA.</p>
<p>More importantly, I&#8217;m amazed that more of you aren&#8217;t considering the patriotic side to this. I&#8217;ll bet that each of these players have a preferred ideal for who they would wish to represent. Which country they feel they owe their allegiance to.</p>
<p>Most people on here seem to be just talking about players playing for the national team that they can, where they have some link to allow it.</p>
<p>For me, I was born and raised in England but have a Welsh grandfather and some players have managed to argue their way onto national teams via such tenuous links. However, if I were good enough to play for Wales and not England, I would feel like a right fraud pulling on a Wales jersey.</p>
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		<title>By: yanman</title>
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		<dc:creator>yanman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Players such as Henry, Benzema, Nasri and mostly all others who hold dual citizenships were for the most part all born and raised in France (other than Makelele and Viera as mentioned earlier). Their first language is French, their friends are French and I&#039;m sure they consider themselves as such. If we start saying that only people of true French descent can play for the national team then its gonna take years of painstaking DNA research to prove it. There has been so much migration by different peoples across history to all corners of the Earth that countries nowadays are made up of all races. Its win or lose in these situations because for every Ben Arfa you lose a Drogba (in the future this will be a close comparison hehe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Players such as Henry, Benzema, Nasri and mostly all others who hold dual citizenships were for the most part all born and raised in France (other than Makelele and Viera as mentioned earlier). Their first language is French, their friends are French and I&#8217;m sure they consider themselves as such. If we start saying that only people of true French descent can play for the national team then its gonna take years of painstaking DNA research to prove it. There has been so much migration by different peoples across history to all corners of the Earth that countries nowadays are made up of all races. Its win or lose in these situations because for every Ben Arfa you lose a Drogba (in the future this will be a close comparison hehe).</p>
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		<title>By: skillz</title>
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		<dc:creator>skillz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry but you cant compare America to France. They have different histories. Are we all going to act like France doesnnt have an ethnic population or are we going to say that France is like America or Canada or australia where there isnt any original ethnicity.  Ive noticed that when people make the comparison they say &#039;then all the black players shouldnt play&#039;, excuse me, then neither should all the whities either.  First Nations peoples are the true ethnicity of north america. its not white people, all they did is lie, deceipt, and enslave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry but you cant compare America to France. They have different histories. Are we all going to act like France doesnnt have an ethnic population or are we going to say that France is like America or Canada or australia where there isnt any original ethnicity.  Ive noticed that when people make the comparison they say &#8216;then all the black players shouldnt play&#8217;, excuse me, then neither should all the whities either.  First Nations peoples are the true ethnicity of north america. its not white people, all they did is lie, deceipt, and enslave.</p>
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		<title>By: supersebgrimaldi</title>
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		<dc:creator>supersebgrimaldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seb will do fine. :-)

I&#039;ll add that Vieira and Maké, the only 2 players I believe who were born outside France, are much more French than Deco is Portuguese/Camoranesi is Italian/Jonathan de Guzman (whose brother has been on the Canada NT) is Dutch.

I really don&#039;t regret or fault the FFF for not having Drogba/Kanoute/Sissoko. Drogba was a late bloomer, as he didn&#039;t become a star at all until he was 24-25. It&#039;s almost the same with Freddie, who struggled to score early in his career. Also, the 77-78-79 generation has produced so many terrific strikers (Henry, Trez, Anelka, Saha, add Piquionne if you will).

As for Momo Sissoko, the defensive midfield position in the 84-87 generation is more than crowded. Lassana Diarra, Mavuba, Diaby, Flamini, Ducasse, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seb will do fine. <img src='http://france.worldcupblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that Vieira and Maké, the only 2 players I believe who were born outside France, are much more French than Deco is Portuguese/Camoranesi is Italian/Jonathan de Guzman (whose brother has been on the Canada NT) is Dutch.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t regret or fault the FFF for not having Drogba/Kanoute/Sissoko. Drogba was a late bloomer, as he didn&#8217;t become a star at all until he was 24-25. It&#8217;s almost the same with Freddie, who struggled to score early in his career. Also, the 77-78-79 generation has produced so many terrific strikers (Henry, Trez, Anelka, Saha, add Piquionne if you will).</p>
<p>As for Momo Sissoko, the defensive midfield position in the 84-87 generation is more than crowded. Lassana Diarra, Mavuba, Diaby, Flamini, Ducasse, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GFC, Inara, and everybody, I hear what you&#039;re saying.  At the same time, I don&#039;t know that a twenty-year-old has the life experience and maturity to make good choices.  Say he has a 2% chance of ever playing for France, but 100% chance of playing for a less famous and less wealthy country.  Did you have the maturity at twenty to weigh those odds?  At twenty you&#039;re invincible and OF COURSE you&#039;ll be part of that 2%. 

I&#039;ll tell you what I&#039;d implement if I were god of FIFA.  (Are you listening, &lt;strike&gt;Michel Platini?&lt;/strike&gt; Sepp Blatter?  Of course you are.)  I&#039;d give every player the option of switching countries one time after the age of twenty-one, even if they&#039;ve played on a country&#039;s senior team.  

But...hmm...on second thought, that opens the door to a Drogba or Kanoute having a chat with Raymond and then playing for France, too.  

A very complicated issue!  I&#039;m enjoying the debate.

(Supersebgrimaldi, can you give me a shorter version of your name to call you by if I want to mention one of your comments?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GFC, Inara, and everybody, I hear what you&#8217;re saying.  At the same time, I don&#8217;t know that a twenty-year-old has the life experience and maturity to make good choices.  Say he has a 2% chance of ever playing for France, but 100% chance of playing for a less famous and less wealthy country.  Did you have the maturity at twenty to weigh those odds?  At twenty you&#8217;re invincible and OF COURSE you&#8217;ll be part of that 2%. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what I&#8217;d implement if I were god of FIFA.  (Are you listening, <strike>Michel Platini?</strike> Sepp Blatter?  Of course you are.)  I&#8217;d give every player the option of switching countries one time after the age of twenty-one, even if they&#8217;ve played on a country&#8217;s senior team.  </p>
<p>But&#8230;hmm&#8230;on second thought, that opens the door to a Drogba or Kanoute having a chat with Raymond and then playing for France, too.  </p>
<p>A very complicated issue!  I&#8217;m enjoying the debate.</p>
<p>(Supersebgrimaldi, can you give me a shorter version of your name to call you by if I want to mention one of your comments?)</p>
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		<title>By: Inara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying Malouda is not French because he&#039;s from French Guiana is like saying that someone born in an American territory can&#039;t be called an American. 

The entire &quot;But he&#039;s not really French&quot; debate is stupid and stems from jealousy. 

I wonder how the US would do in sports if they excluded players who are the children of immigrants or who are naturalized citizens here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying Malouda is not French because he&#8217;s from French Guiana is like saying that someone born in an American territory can&#8217;t be called an American. </p>
<p>The entire &#8220;But he&#8217;s not really French&#8221; debate is stupid and stems from jealousy. </p>
<p>I wonder how the US would do in sports if they excluded players who are the children of immigrants or who are naturalized citizens here.</p>
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