Comments on: Read ‘em and Weep: Austria 3-1 France http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html France - World Cup - South Africa 2010 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Javi http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143825 Javi Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:06:34 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143825 Hey John, I'm nuts right? HAHAHAHA. I'm not the one who in the same sentence judged a plyer's ability yet admitted he hasn't watched him play. HAHAHAHA. Good one. And maybe i'm exaggerating about "MILES" ahead, I don't know? Nevertheless, Mandanda is better and has been more impressive in Ligue 1 at a big club like Marseille who saw a resurgence when he came in at goal over a smaller club like Nice that was nearly relegated season before last with Lloris in goal. And a big reason he was popular at Nice was because the guy is like a model on TV and billboards for teenage girls over there. If we go by that kind of crap then Corey Gibbs is the best player ever to play in the EPL since his image was splashed all over England when he signed with Charlton a few years back. hahahaha. Keep up the good work guys. Hey John, I’m nuts right? HAHAHAHA. I’m not the one who in the same sentence judged a plyer’s ability yet admitted he hasn’t watched him play. HAHAHAHA. Good one. And maybe i’m exaggerating about “MILES” ahead, I don’t know? Nevertheless, Mandanda is better and has been more impressive in Ligue 1 at a big club like Marseille who saw a resurgence when he came in at goal over a smaller club like Nice that was nearly relegated season before last with Lloris in goal. And a big reason he was popular at Nice was because the guy is like a model on TV and billboards for teenage girls over there. If we go by that kind of crap then Corey Gibbs is the best player ever to play in the EPL since his image was splashed all over England when he signed with Charlton a few years back. hahahaha. Keep up the good work guys.

]]> By: Seb http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143817 Seb Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:59:30 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143817 Indeed, John, that's a good point. Although I wasn't suggesting Lloris is better about Mandanda, actually, I don't believe I have seen either enough to make a judgment on that, my argument was there is no way that Steve is MILES ahead of Hugo. Indeed, John, that’s a good point. Although I wasn’t suggesting Lloris is better about Mandanda, actually, I don’t believe I have seen either enough to make a judgment on that, my argument was there is no way that Steve is MILES ahead of Hugo.

]]> By: John http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143815 John Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:37:15 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143815 Seb: Javier is nuts. But saying that a player is better because he was more sought after by big clubs is a specious argument. I think Lloris was more sought after bec he played on an L1 team, and Mandanda played on an an L2- Le Havre- team with less exposure. Also, I don't know if Mandanda started, or even played that well- didn't get to see him. Marseille's scouts did a job spoting this talent and snapping him up. If Mandanda had been starting on an L1 team like Hugo, for the same amount of time, like at Marseille, I think he would have been heavily sought after by big clubs also. I think they are both similar in talent, but I see Mandana losing the top spot on the NT, bec he doesn't look that sure back there to me. They are both too young to handle that kind of pressure. Seb: Javier is nuts. But saying that a player is better because he was more sought after by big clubs is a specious argument. I think Lloris was more sought after bec he played on an L1 team, and Mandanda played on an an L2- Le Havre- team with less exposure. Also, I don’t know if Mandanda started, or even played that well- didn’t get to see him. Marseille’s scouts did a job spoting this talent and snapping him up. If Mandanda had been starting on an L1 team like Hugo, for the same amount of time, like at Marseille, I think he would have been heavily sought after by big clubs also. I think they are both similar in talent, but I see Mandana losing the top spot on the NT, bec he doesn’t look that sure back there to me. They are both too young to handle that kind of pressure.

]]> By: Seb http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143812 Seb Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:30:47 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143812 Boy, Lloris was no big deal at Nice? I have a suggestion, then, go to Nice right now, ask them what they think of Lloris. He is a saint in that city (I'd assume, I actually go to Cannes more often). At the moment, I have yet to determine who'd be better in between Lloris and Mandanda, though I mean, saying Mandanda is miles ahead is crazy. Especially when one considers all of the big clubs that have been chasing after Hugo, including Milan. Boy, Lloris was no big deal at Nice? I have a suggestion, then, go to Nice right now, ask them what they think of Lloris. He is a saint in that city (I’d assume, I actually go to Cannes more often). At the moment, I have yet to determine who’d be better in between Lloris and Mandanda, though I mean, saying Mandanda is miles ahead is crazy. Especially when one considers all of the big clubs that have been chasing after Hugo, including Milan.

]]> By: Javi http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143798 Javi Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:04:45 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143798 Hey Johnny, A Lloris fan? Come on man! That guy was no big deal at Nice and I saw him get drilled especially during that 06-07 near relegation year. Mandanda is miles ahead of that guy. I was shocked when Lyon decided to replace Coupet with that guy. The should have gone after Itandje or even Pele who is also better. Hey Johnny,

A Lloris fan? Come on man! That guy was no big deal at Nice and I saw him get drilled especially during that 06-07 near relegation year. Mandanda is miles ahead of that guy. I was shocked when Lyon decided to replace Coupet with that guy. The should have gone after Itandje or even Pele who is also better.

]]> By: Michel-Olivier http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143785 Michel-Olivier Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:32:26 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143785 @ Inara je sais je sais je sais i just want to write trash about zhe team because zhe french team is overrated like england. @ Inara
je sais je sais je sais
i just want to write trash about zhe team because zhe french team is overrated like england.

]]> By: Inara http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143782 Inara Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:14:30 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143782 @Michel-Olivier: I said during Euro <em>qualification</em>. ;) @Michel-Olivier: I said during Euro qualification. ;)

]]> By: Michel-Olivier http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143780 Michel-Olivier Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:22:38 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143780 @ Inara "France had the best defense alongside of Germany." someone did not watch the euro, let me refresh your memory. ;) france euro 08 tourney: score 1 goal and conceded 6 <----------------------------- 0ut of 9 point they had 1 point(not points) group c dutch 9 pt italy 4 pt romania 2 pt france 1 pt <---------------- "Fewest goals conceded by a team: 2 Croatia"(uefa.com) <--------------- "Fewest wins: 0 france" <---------------------- "Most goals conceded by a team: 9 – Turkey 6 - France " <----------- @ Inara
“France had the best defense alongside of Germany.”
someone did not watch the euro, let me refresh your memory. ;)

france euro 08 tourney:

score 1 goal and conceded 6 <—————————–
0ut of 9 point they had 1 point(not points)

group c
dutch 9 pt
italy 4 pt
romania 2 pt
france 1 pt <—————-

“Fewest goals conceded by a team: 2 Croatia”(uefa.com) <—————
“Fewest wins: 0 france” <———————-
“Most goals conceded by a team: 9 – Turkey 6 – France ” <———–

]]> By: Eric Escander http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143777 Eric Escander Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:25:16 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143777 Some players need to be given a chance to prove what they can do. I believe Flamini is one of them. I just don't understand what anyone sees in this Diara. He isn't a horrible player but nothing about him stands out. Most of the games he has played he seemed not to have an effective game. Let Flamini play what do we have to lose? Now I am not going to fully blame Domenech for this game. It is obvious that the players are partially to blame for this mess. However from what I gather it seems the team lacked any organization or unity. It is the job of the head coach to ensure that the team plays together. So either Domenech had the team playing well together prior to the game and the players just fell apart or Domenech's strategy was frail and only was a matter of time before it would come to pieces. Or both. I just can't find a worthy excuse for this. Why must the French go through this crap? Some players need to be given a chance to prove what they can do. I believe Flamini is one of them. I just don’t understand what anyone sees in this Diara. He isn’t a horrible player but nothing about him stands out. Most of the games he has played he seemed not to have an effective game. Let Flamini play what do we have to lose? Now I am not going to fully blame Domenech for this game. It is obvious that the players are partially to blame for this mess. However from what I gather it seems the team lacked any organization or unity. It is the job of the head coach to ensure that the team plays together. So either Domenech had the team playing well together prior to the game and the players just fell apart or Domenech’s strategy was frail and only was a matter of time before it would come to pieces. Or both. I just can’t find a worthy excuse for this. Why must the French go through this crap?

]]> By: Inara http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html/comment-page-1#comment-143776 Inara Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:46:45 +0000 http://france.worldcupblog.org/euro-2008/read-em-and-weep-austria-3-1-france.html#comment-143776 It's really funny how people change their tune so quickly. During Euro 2008 qualification, France had the best defense alongside of Germany (I think) in terms of goals conceded. Games were won thanks to 1-0 victories, due to a defensive style of play and lots of the old regulars like Malouda, Abidal, Vieira, Makelele, etc. No one liked that and kept asking for more younger and newer players, flashier players who would quit with the defending and try to create something. After Euro 2008, Domenech did exactly what everyone asked for: playing Mexes, Nasri, Sagna, Evra, Benzema, and Mandanda, calling up Ben Arfa and Gourcuff. Domenech asked his players to go forward more often, to use the wings more strategically, and to involve the fullbacks in more attacks. This stratagem - that everyone wanted - hasn't gotten off to the best start, and people are already branding it as a failure? As if Trezeguet and Flamini would have been the difference between a defeat and a victory? Come on, if France can't win against Austria with the players they have on the bench already, then those two won't be any help at all. I just don't see how Domenech can be completely blamed for this loss. Okay, his substitutions could have been more inspired, but after watching Sagna fumble around as a RB against Austria, it makes sense that he put in Diarra there since for Les Bleus - Diarra has done a decent job in that position. Mexes, though a good player, had a meltdown of epic proportions and pretty much caused France the game. Gallas lost his concentration too frequently. Evra was nonexistent. Mandanda, while not really responsible for the goals, didn't have the most inspiring match either. Benzema and Henry ran around like headless chickens most of the time. That is not Domenech's fault. We can't even blame his player selections because these are the players we've been wanting all along. Guys, it was an unfortunate loss. That's the price you pay for change. People wanted the old players out, the ones who are long used to playing together as a unit. New players are in, most of whom have never played together before. Whether their poor performance was due to unfamiliarity, panic, or just plain apathy (I'm looking at you, Patrice), they are all professional and highly experienced players. They should have performed better. This isn't kindergarten. While a manager is always held responsible for defeats, the players have some responsibility in this case as well. I honestly don't think it's fair to blame Domenech alone for this loss. It’s really funny how people change their tune so quickly. During Euro 2008 qualification, France had the best defense alongside of Germany (I think) in terms of goals conceded. Games were won thanks to 1-0 victories, due to a defensive style of play and lots of the old regulars like Malouda, Abidal, Vieira, Makelele, etc. No one liked that and kept asking for more younger and newer players, flashier players who would quit with the defending and try to create something.

After Euro 2008, Domenech did exactly what everyone asked for: playing Mexes, Nasri, Sagna, Evra, Benzema, and Mandanda, calling up Ben Arfa and Gourcuff. Domenech asked his players to go forward more often, to use the wings more strategically, and to involve the fullbacks in more attacks.

This stratagem – that everyone wanted – hasn’t gotten off to the best start, and people are already branding it as a failure? As if Trezeguet and Flamini would have been the difference between a defeat and a victory? Come on, if France can’t win against Austria with the players they have on the bench already, then those two won’t be any help at all.

I just don’t see how Domenech can be completely blamed for this loss. Okay, his substitutions could have been more inspired, but after watching Sagna fumble around as a RB against Austria, it makes sense that he put in Diarra there since for Les Bleus – Diarra has done a decent job in that position. Mexes, though a good player, had a meltdown of epic proportions and pretty much caused France the game. Gallas lost his concentration too frequently. Evra was nonexistent. Mandanda, while not really responsible for the goals, didn’t have the most inspiring match either. Benzema and Henry ran around like headless chickens most of the time. That is not Domenech’s fault. We can’t even blame his player selections because these are the players we’ve been wanting all along.

Guys, it was an unfortunate loss. That’s the price you pay for change. People wanted the old players out, the ones who are long used to playing together as a unit. New players are in, most of whom have never played together before. Whether their poor performance was due to unfamiliarity, panic, or just plain apathy (I’m looking at you, Patrice), they are all professional and highly experienced players. They should have performed better.

This isn’t kindergarten. While a manager is always held responsible for defeats, the players have some responsibility in this case as well. I honestly don’t think it’s fair to blame Domenech alone for this loss.

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