Comments on: France 2-2 Morocco

By: Massaer

Massaer — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:26:56 +0000

And that is all to your credit, ladies.

By: Inara

Inara — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:32:17 +0000

Laurie, at least you have a French great-grandmother. I have no connection to France whatsoever, except a brief stopover in Paris seven years ago.

Still, I’m 100% behind the France NT and all French clubs.

By: Laurie

Laurie — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:30:21 +0000

I know I was 100% senegal when we played France in 2002 and the rest of the time i’m 100% french.

Massaer, you’re talking to a woman who devotes a whole bunch of time to writing about the football team from the country of a great-grandmother she never met, so I kinda get this.

By: Thierry

Thierry — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:53:07 +0000

I m afraid it wasn’t a question of passion but a question of fear. I could be wrong but i think France fans didn’t wanted to be agressed. Saint Denis is a craddle for immigrants. Most of the french/morrocans fans probaly came from here. The memory of riots is still in the mind, and more and more the maghreb immigrants are seen like a dangerous population, with the work of Le Pen, Sarkozy, and alarmist medias, but with the help of certains of them(near like 2 millions of agressions listed last year.(that mean far more). Labourious class=dangerous class was a 19 th slogan but it reappear nowadays.
Moreover, most of the french/morrocans had announced that they will boo France anthem, and they are some fans team who announced that so they wanted to boycott this match, frightened it will happen like France Algeria.
Plus in France football is a sport of mass, a popular sport, but an expensive sport too.
With the cold, and true the fact parisians had probably among the biggest choice of the world to enjoy themselves, may be it could explain this kind of aberration.
Finally i’m pretty sure, the french players didn’t give all they have in order to avoid pitch invasion like with Algeria (6-0). When France lead 2-1 we didn’t see it on TV but they had some pitch invasions quickly controlled.
Each time France play a against former you have the feeling they play “with” a former colony. I think there is the goal to not to humiliate it, a culpability feeling here. The only time France played without any reserve(6-0) against Algeria, first i was surprised, plus i thought it was because Zidane (algerian origin) just wanted to enjoy and didn’t wanted to enter in this kind of consideration. The result was catastrophic: in fact each time France played a former colony the score should be approved by his immigrants, be a diplomatic score, or the ” odious France colonisator” reappear, there are stil guys who say Togo let France won in 2006, afterall.

By: Jean-Michel

Jean-Michel — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:46:00 +0000

tru@ “fuck it”, “domenech”, and “gamble” being in the same post by Massaer.

By: glatisant

glatisant — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:39:11 +0000

The French sides supposed to win gets tiring. They were supposed to win the world cup, then the Rugby world cup, etc.
? IIRC there was very little hype surrounding the French team as they entered the World Cup finals last year, not surprising considering the disappointments of the past two major tournaments, and the uninspiring form of the side during qualifying.
As the tournament progressed, yes, people started jumping on the bandwagon, but that stemmed from the quality of opponents they faced in succession and the level of play they displayed in those matches, which caught pretty much everyone by surprise. It wasn’t so much that people thought they “were supposed to” win, as they wanted the win for the drama and the storybook ending.

I don’t follow rugby, and I don’t live in France, so I can’t say what the attitude was like then. But considering that France was the host nation, and that it had won the Six Nations championship earlier that year, I would say some level of hype is understandable.

I mean, look at the British press and the level of hysteria there (both positive and negative) every time a major football championship rolls around, and the French press starts to look sane and judicious in comparison.

I frankly hated the hissing and booing of the French national anthem. What a sorry shameful act.
It could have been worse. I suppose we should be glad that there were no pitch invasions or death threats, as Massaer referenced.

We’re in paris after all and that’s all we have as immigrants. Us africans.
As a minority living in the U.S., I can relate to that. I suspect that the national team has much more symbolic resonance for the Morocco supporters, and is tied up more closely with issues like identity and representation. For France, it’s more likely to be just another football match.

Also remember that in traditional French culture sports is held in lesser importance than in places like the UK or US or Australia, not so much a part of the national psyche, regarded as a way through which the culture expresses and views itself. Aimé Jacquet has said that it took the 1998 Cup win to change things around (and then the losses of 02 and 04 turned folks back into fair-weather fans…).

The booing and whistling still hurt, though.

By: Laurie

Laurie — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:30:15 +0000

Ah. I’m getting it now. The “it’s the bureaucracy” argument I understand.

By: Massaer

Massaer — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:02:59 +0000

The thing is Parisians like myself still have a hard time considering Saint-Denis as Paris. Plus the national team showings hae been bismal lately and the tickets are incredibly expensive. Having myself gone to many, MANY games, I just won’t go anymore. Fuck it. Argentina was humiliatiing enough.
Now the rest of the peoplen I wouldn’t know. A lot of the tickets go on sale pretty late because they ares old to corporations first. Those give them as gifts to their clients and employees, kinda like the superbowl, so you have a lot of shitty non-supporters that don’t know the workings of a game.
Then the fédération in france is known not to be professional when it comes to distrinuting properly the tickets. Something is obviously wrong with the whole system.

My offical stance is :”I’d rather be at home enjoying a pizza and catching up with a lot of people unitl the wee hours of the morning than go to Saint Denis and freeze my ass off to see Domenech gamble and put seven defensive minded players against Andorra”

By: Laurie

Laurie — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:14:09 +0000

Massaer, I hear what you’re saying, but why isn’t there this passion for the France team in Paris as well? Or is it there but just much quieter?

Understand that I’m not criticizing. (How could an American criticize European support, which is a million times what we have here? My city isn’t even showing the national MLS championship on TV.) I’m just trying to understand.

By: Massaer

Massaer — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:02:16 +0000

Jusst to give you guys a heads up. Don’t forget the many Tunisians, Algerians, Morrocans, north africans and africans that wanted to see the game. We’re in paris after all and that’s all we have as immigrants. Us africans. So it made sense that more morrocans would be at the stadium. Like when Algeria and France played together (On that game though the anthemn was also booed and the stadium invaded).
What’s tragic is that the people who were booing the national anthemn only feel “not french” when their parent’s country come here. I know I was 100% senegal when we played France in 2002 and the rest of the time i’m 100% french. Not that I would boo the National Anthemn but I understand. It was dumb but I get it.