France-Argentina Friendly February 7, 2007

Luca you are quite sad trying to portray Argentina as a third world country.

Its only that way because of the misrule of what is comparitively a very young nation . So dont go bragging about your cultural inheritance(personally I dont think you have ever listenend to Couperin or read a word of Racine & so on )or superiority when Germany Russia & Italy can lay an equally great claim to it you conceited cockerel.

The matter at hand is football in terms of skill,flair & style.

The sheer exuberance,almost artistic retention of the ball as a prized object & patient highly technical approach at unravelling opposition defences is a joy to behold & what puts the Albicelestes above others along with their commitment in this ultra defensive era to attacking.

Its no coincidence some of the greatest games at recent World Cups involve Argentina on a consistent basis.

Who cares about the FifaPro awards ? One tournament in which a player makes it to the last stages doesnt make a great player.

It takes a series of seasons to judge a players worth not a month of knock out football. So Riquelme a master artisan with the ball doesnt even get a mention just because we didnt make the semi finals.Does that make him a bad player ? Whereas a water carrier like Ballack a player devoid of skill flair & invention does because Germany manage to scrape through to the semis ?

Riquelme deserved the award on the basis of his control of games ,his dead ball delivery & generalship or Ayala as a defender would have been worthy.

Dont come crawling with your nonsense about football superiority. Which is why you are trying to pinch Higuain. No decent Gallic men to don the shirt anymore ? Or will you continue to harvest your overseas departments for ‘talent’ ?

And aside from Gourcuff which young French stars ie under u21 are playing at a top European team compared to Argentina ?

As for you Rene no other team cheats & dives.They are all of course entirely guiltless.

The French teams antics particularly Henry trying to get a fellow professional in Puyol sent off were far more frequent & appalling culminating in Zizous disgraceful headbutt on Materazzi (who himself is not an angel by any means).

As for passion for sport in France what passion ? The passion for rugby lies in the Basques & Savoy Italians & most French people couldnt care less about the game. They are more interested in cycling. What other team sports do they excel at ? None that I can call to mind now they cant recruit French Canadians to populate the ice hockey team. Basketball ? Field hockey ?

Argentina for its limited population size has a far greater rate of sporting sucess.

Just look at the basketball & field hockey teams & of course the Pumas who have stuffed the French at home THREE TIMES at home & hopefully injuries willing do the same in a couple of weeks time.

Posted from  United States

> This blog is here to discuss France’s football and cultural superiority, not Argentina, a third world country with a second rate soccer team, No Offense.

All hail France’s superiority over the “third world”. Encore Encore.

Posted from  United States

AURELIUS you seem to have a problem with facts. I don’t want to dwell on the point but your retort to Argentina being a third world country was to write “Its only that way because of the misrule of what is comparatively a very young nation .”, im glad you agree with me.

Have I listened to Couperin or read a word of Racine, yes and yes. I don’t like Couperin and there are more entertaining and interesting reads than Racine. I actually find most people who feel a need to bring up such things very pretentious and insecure in themselves.

Are you with a straight face or should I say font saying that only South Americans play the game with flair and style? You and your hallucinogenic friends seem to think only Argentina plays beautiful soccer. Again such statements are not worthy of a response. I will let our fellow posters from around the world judge such foolish comments.

I would expect you not to like the choices for the FifaPro awards since it’s counter productive to your argument. You make it sound like all the players chosen are johnny come lately’s who had one good tournament. Please point those players out to me. You also say only those countries who went deep in the tournament are represented. Funny but I thought I saw players from England, Brazil and Samuel Eto’o (Cameroon). Again facts seem to get in the way of your arguments.

Now the argument of “harvesting” our talent. These offers to players are done by all countries and I find more a reflection of the country they turn down, wouldn’t you agree? Your comments are danferously close to some others who claim the French team isn’t French. Zidane is Algerian, Platini is Italian and so on. I wouldn’t go down that street If I were you for a couple of reasons. The first is it smack of racism, how many generations do you have to live in a country to be a true citizen? Are you more let’s say American because your family has been there 100 years than some joe smo who just got his citizenship? So if that’s what you believe quite a few of the Argie players old and new have a Spanish, Italian or French ancestry.

As for young talent your right about Gourcuff and the other obvious one staring you and the world in the face is Ribery.

I don’t believe anyone disagrees with my main point that for the last ten years or so FRANCE Rules football. So again please spare us the talk of how Argentina own the beautiful game and only they have this special passion and ability for football.

If the AFA won’t apologize for the Argentine team’s disgraceful behavior at the WC I would expect their true fans to.

Get ready for the beating France is going to give Argentina. Allez

Isnt it funny to you guys that when the FRENCH are asked to give comparison of Player by players of Argenine players and French players and see who has more talent at their disposal, they start talking about how Argentina is a third world country hahahahaha. very funny luca.

again, please give us a comparison of your players vs ours and lets see who is better??????

Ohhh on your question about why it is that some Argentine players decide to play for other countries. i think the answer is simple. They would have to fight for spots where as, in france you could have two left legs and still be on the team. Trezeguet wouldnt make the Argentina national team to any of our worldcup.

In 02 we had Batistuta and Crespo (no way david was going to start over them) matter of fact crespo came in as a sub that is how deep we are buddy.

06, we had Crespo still at his prime and, Saviola, Tevez & Cruz. so yeah enough said

ohhh another funny funny funny stat

World Cup History: Appearances: 12 | Wins: 23 | Losses: 17 | Draws: 4 | Best Finish: Champions 1998

World Cup History: Appearances: 14 | Wins: 33 | Losses: 19 | Draws: 8 | Best Finish: Champion 1978, 1986

Need we say MORE??????????????????

wamdiego,
“those mothe*f**** (I repeat,although I’m French)” so you must say “As a mothe*f****, i…”.
You can’t point out your group by “those” it ’s more than a grammatical fault.

For all, have a nice day. Argentina and a France have a long love story,cultural and footballistic together. All french fans respect Argentina, and all Argentina fans respect, as i ever seen.

To say which a$$ is far more beautiful than the other, personnaly i don’t care, because i love all the beautiful a$$. I just want to see a beautiful game. I salute all the Argentinians with love and respect. I hope the terrible economical crisis will disapear soon,(and won’t appear in France). I hope this match will make us dream for at least an hour.

Posted from  France

LUCA, WE NEED A ONE ON ONE ANALYSIS ON THE ARGENTINE PLAYERS WITH THE FRENCH DESPERATELY… PLEASE GIVE ONE… PLEASE…. HA HA HA…..

Posted from  United States

Oh my goodness they are just playing in a FRIENDLY geez…. They didnt win the world cup or even had to face each other at the world cup which is the most important tornament in the world yes better that both Euro and Coppa America (even tho Euro is better than Coppa)so all relax….. Forza Italia

Posted from  Australia

Comparison:

Messi (Age 19) VS Ribery (Age 23) Messi wins easily no comment

Aguero (18) VS Benzema (18)
Today Aguero is much more expansive (20-25 Million €), he wins

Saviola (24) Vs Govou (27)
Saviola domintates easily (more goals, younger, played a 10 times better WC, plays better that’s all !)

Tevez (22) Vs Henry (29)
Henry wins but if we look at the age, Tevez is already stronger than Henry at the same age, we’ll see within 10 years but with Tevez’s potential, a draw could be declared.

Cruz (31) Vs Wiltord (32)
Draw, Cruz scores much more but Wiltord is very useful.

Crespo (31) Vs Trézéguet(29)
Draw, same kind of player, same results even if Crespo’s last year is much better than trezeguet’s, moreover trezeguet is argentine.

Diego Milito (27) Vs Saha (28)
Short win by Milito because he’s top scorer in la liga and scored 15 goals last years, Saha never made a season with a lot of goal.

Maxi rodriguez (25) Vs Giuly (30) Maxi wins, Maxi’s been the greatest player of last WC, he leads atletico, scores much more goals and is younger.

Cambiasso (26) Vs Viera (30)
Draw, yeah because Cambiasso is youger and his potential is the same as Viera although Viera is stronger, Cambiasso scores goals and great passing abilities.

Mascherano (22) Vs Makelele (33)
Draw, Mascheranno’s potential is higher than Maké’s, because same Stamina, same defensive skills but Masch is much youger !

Gago (19) Vs Toulalan (23)
Gago wins ! No matter, Gago is wanted by Barça and real madrid but he’s only 19 !

Aimar (26) Vs Anelka (28) Aimar wins, watch Saragoss is 3rd in la liga since he arrived !

Riquleme (28) Vs Who ? Ah ! Zidane (34) but Zidane’s retired ! Zidane would win, but do not forget riquelme.

Veron (32) Vs Micoud (33) Veron wins easily, no comment.

Lucho Gonzalez (25) Vs Malouda (27)
Draw, at the moment, but lucho’s work in porto is paying in the C. L. and now barçà wants him ! Just have a look at his last goal in C.L. !
D’alessandro Vs who ? no opponent !

Ayala (33) Vs Thuram (34)
Draw, no comment

Samuel (27) Vs Gallas (28)
Samuel wins by his potential and amazing skills, even if Gallas is more consistent.

Gabi Milito (25) Vs Boumsong ( ??)
Milito wins, Boumsong is a joke.

Gabi Heinze (28) Vs Mexes (25)
Mexes wins, Domenech should make him a starter in France

Gonzalo Rodriguez (21) Sylvestre (28)
The potential of Gonzalo gives him a win

Javier Zanetti (32) Sagnol (30)
Zanetti wins, no comment

Sorin Vs Abidal
Sorin wins because he can play offense

Burdisso (25) Vs Chimbonda (27)
Burdisso wins, this guy is an important player at Inter, where is chimbonda ?

Abondanzieri Vs Coupet : Coupet wins, no comment

Ustari (19) Vs Landreau (27)
Ustari wins, he ‘s wanted by Barçà and real madrid

Final result :

Argentina : 15 wins, 6 draw
France : 3 wins, 6 draw

OK 15-3 Argentina, what do you want more ?
Ah ! I know ! You want Gonzalo Higuain ! (18 years old)

Posted from  France

Obviously your analysis is flawed, and the reason why is simple (like you) and staring you in the face.

Your comparison of player’s talent cannot possibly be correct. I ask you to look at Argentina’s record of Spectacular International Failure v. France Glorious record of triumph. France has a world cup followed by a European championship followed by a second place finish In a World Cup. Argentina record is …….well honestly it’s so poor who cares.

Allez

Luca, your last argument is silly

Argentina dominated from ‘78 to ‘94 the football world:

78 World cup winner, 82 second round world cup in europe
86 World cup winner
90 World cup finalist in europe after they knocked out the host country: italy
91 and 93 : Coppa america (and may be befor I do not know)
94: Eliminated by FIFA (maradona controlled to something useless for football)
Then in 06 the hosts won by PKs and with a referee biased for Germany.

I remind you that euro 2000 has been won because of an argentine: Trézéguet and that you could already have been beaten by Italy in 98 in the PKs

Posted from  France

My argument is silly? Why are you going back to 1978, 1986 on so on when the players you are comparing never played then?

Your definition of domination over a 14 year period can only be described as bizarre and I’m sure the Italian’s and Germans would agree with me.

“94: Eliminated by FIFA (maradona controlled to something useless for football)
Then in 06 the hosts won by PKs and with a referee biased for Germany.”

All Argentine fans have made it abundantly clear that when Argentina are slapped out of a competition it’s a conspiracy by FIFA or corrupt refereeing. With beliefs like that why is anyone surprised at the Argentines disgraceful comport after the Germany game.

As I stated before I would recommend that you don’t make the argument that Trézéguet is Argentine. You leave yourself wide open for other people to stake claim your players as being Italian or Spanish or French, many of whom immigrated to Argentina.

Allez

someone please comment on this

FRANCE :World Cup History: Appearances: 12 | Wins: 23 | Losses: 17 | Draws: 4 | Best Finish: Champions 1998

ARGENTINA :World Cup History: Appearances: 14 | Wins: 33 | Losses: 19 | Draws: 8 | Best Finish: Champion 1978, 1986

Need we say MORE??????????????????

No you need not say more.

If that’s the formula you want to use then I can safely assume you acknowledge that Brazil, Italy and Germany are far superior footballing nations than Argentina.

Brazil - Appearances: 18 | Wins: 62 | Losses: 14 | Draws: 11 | Best Finish: Champions ‘58, ‘62, ‘70, ‘94, ‘02
Italy - Appearances: 15 | Wins: 39 | Losses: 17 | Draws: 14 | Best Finish: Champions 1934, 1938, 1982 & 2006
Germany - Appearances: 16 | Wins: 55 | Losses: 19 | Draws: 17 | Best Finish: Champions 1954, 1974, 1990
Please post your acknowledgement of the above a.s.a.p. so the Brazilians Italians and Germans can read your acknowledgement of their superiority.

My prediction for the game is unchanged, France to trounce Argentina and Argentina once again humiliated before the world.. My prediction for the NT is unchanged France’s future is bright Argies Bleak. My conclusion of who has had the best team over the last 10 or so years is unchanged, undeniably France. My observation and conclusion that the Copa America won’t buy you a cheap glass of wine in Paris is unchanged (No Offense).

Sorry about your teams brutal performances over the last 20 years or so, but living in denial isn’t going to change the facts.

Allez Allez

Wow, interesting board.
We have Luca, a wise fellow who insists on making something out of nothing, trash talking against Argentina about a miserable match for 3/4 of a million euros, they’ll play with France in February of next year. And we’re on the first week of November 06…
Four more months? Constipated like this?
Mmmm, I’ll pass,
Saludos

Posted from  United States

See even Luca said it.. Italy greatest in the world

Posted from  Australia

I don’t think I said that Cris, it was Fair who’s logic led to the conclusion that Brazil 1 Italy 2 and Germany 3 ect…

I have a great deal of respect for all three of those countries (Brazil, Italy & Germany) they consistently the top performers on the International Stage.

That being said I still maintain France has been the best team for over 10 years, and their play and style has been unmatched.

Allez

Salut Albo

LUCA again ou are everywhere in your crazy theory, we arent talking about italy brazil or germany, we are talking about France vs Argentina. you claimed France is much more talent and more soccer history than Argentina, and i am simply asking you to explain, if we look at talent WE WIN because you havent even came up with a single analysis of how France is more talented. if you look at history there are only three teams with better records than us they are Italy, Germany and Brazil. I dont see France anywhere near us. so why wont you just accept the fact Argentina is better??? if We play you in France then most likely Argentina wins or it is a draw but if We play you in Argetntina then we win, and we win BIG. I am not saying France sucs or anything,I like the french national team, ZIZU is amazing, but no one outside of France will look at you sane by making a statement like that. you will get laughed at trying to sell that I dea of France having more talented players than Argentina

Posted from  United States

Who cares fair Italy won the world cup…beat that with ur stupid Argentina comments…actually i dont mind argentina and i do agree that referee was biased and for Germany but really better luck next time and as for france headbutting the ball is probably the better option

Posted from  Australia

Guys, just talk about football.

Third world country sounds like racism. And so on.

Just football, It is a fact that 1-Brazil, 2-Italy, 3-Germany and 4-Argentine are the best 4 teams in the world.

I hope to watch a very nice game because I love football.

I prefer the Argentinian football than the French one. Just because the way they play and the huge quantity of good players that they have. But anyway, France team is amoung the 7 best teams in the world.

England is number 6 and France number 7.

So we are talking about 2 teams that are top teams in the world. I mean, we should expect a very good game.

Posted from  Indonesia

Does anybody know if there is anywhere in London where I can watch the game?

Posted from  United States

watching the france-argentina match right now, i guess what france really needs is a guy who can perfectly deliver corners/freekicks inside the penalty box. ribery is good but we need a better guy. too many wasted freekicks/corners. I guess if france can find someone who can take freekicks like zidane did in germany, it will be perfect for the team.

Posted from  United States

Beatiful goal Saviola!!!

Nice to watch those guys playing. Thanks Argentine for your football.

France 0 - Argentine 1

And, let me tell you, France need more than 1 good player, so far.

Posted from  Indonesia

and here it is for the world to decide whoz best . beating in your home = 2 times win in neutral venue..argentina have silenced the critics..oh my god i cant find any french fan replying me.may be i can expect people frm nigeria or italy or ghana to contradict my comments!

Posted from  India