World Cup Seeding Announced – Pot 1 should be terrified!

The seeding system is based on current results. That’s how it should be. Why should FIFA take past WC results into account? What happened 4 or 8 years ago is irrelevant to a team’s quality heading into this year’s tournament.

Adam – I actually agree with you and I don’t really have a problem with them using the October rankings. I’m not sure if this came through but the top of my post was mostly sarcastic– I just thought it was ridiculous how the press were trying to create a lot of drama that basically could have been avoided.

As a side note, even though the English press likes to claim that there is some type of hidden agenda against England, they clearly are pushing their own agenda. I just hate that they are hiding their own agenda/selfish motives under the guise of fair play.

Personally I’m glad that the Netherlands are seeded, because NL + any seeded team would be the certain “group o’ death.” But there just aren’t many minnows in this tournament. Almost any of the teams from Pot 3 will be difficult, and UEFA qualifying showed that any of the Pot 4 teams can be dangerous too. (Except Suisse. Sorry.) Many of the Pot A teams will bring good challenges to their opponents.

So I hope that France gets drawn into Group A to make the groups as even as possible. Or that they get Algeria – that would be an intense matchup!

Sarah, I agree with you. I don’t take the English tabloid press seriously.

I am quite content with being drawn into the group of death, barring any injuries I hope, as Les Bleus will have to produce their once beautiful football and some goals right away. Brazil won’t be looking forward to be in the same group as France. It is tough to be optimistic but it’s a brand new tournament and this team has all the talent to go through the next stage.
William Gallas for Captaincy PLEASE!

Let’s look at the bright side.First I want to thank Domenech for putting France in that position.

Let’s talk….can FRANCE WIN THE WORLD CUP ……….YES YES AND YES.HOW

1 Get rid of Domenech asap,Fernandez,Tigana,Blanc though with bordeaux could still be manager getting DOM out is an emprovement of 50%

2 I love Henry, I really do, but with all this mess, and he has really slowed down, I think France is better off without him.France can now do these 2 options

Anelka Benzema
Ribery Gorcuff OR
Anelka
Ribery Gorcuff Nasri

Can we trie Anelka and Saha up front just curious????

3.If Dom and Henry are gone we are liked again,THIS IS IMPORTANT, refs will call bad plays against us,people will haite us.Most players are from African decent playing “at home” is incentive for them 2 play hard

we have the talent,we have great coaches and we can fix our image but THAT IS THE ONLY WAY if not were out first round, DOMENECH IS WHAT BUSH WAS TO THE USA POINT BLANC

Our faith????? we have it our hands still,we are lucky to be @ the WC I am serious France can beat anyone I really feel they can so who cares who we play BRING IT ON but let’s go to SA with the best players,coach,staff we can if not what’s the point

I was pretty ambivalent about the seeding until I read this post; but now I’m really excited to be left out of the top group. How’d that happen?

“Engaging them is basically pointless and it just wastes your energy. Try to ignore the haters, but please continue to discuss and share your reactions. I will delete the offensive posts as fast as I can, but trying to argue with them is pointless. You will probably never convince them and it just encourages them. They are just like children who want attention. ” — very well said, Sarah, I will try to follow up on your sensible advice. It’s difficult for me because I’m very sensitive to blatant francophobia and the racist hypocrisy of all the moral outrage on this board, but I’ll try.

First off, I don’t know any France supporter who’s complaining about not being seeded, I honestly don’t have a problem with this. Tho I do think even this France team is better than Argentina (who are seeded). As to the English (and the other Brits), they can’t be taken seriously. Never saw a country with such a massive chip on their shoulders in the football world (except maybe Italy). They really think FIFA are out to conspire against poor poor England (and Ireland, Scotland, etc., etc.) I’m sure FIFA would’ve preferred to have Russia in the world cup (they’re a MASSIVE country awash with big money, far more than France is) yet Slovenia got past them. Some conspiracy.

It’s important to remember that France have reached the final in 2 of the last 3 world cups. How many other countries can make such a claim? Not many. Brazil certainly, maybe Italy. Not sure about Germany. And that’s it. That said, I don’t believe any European team will win this tournament, tho I’m sure one will reach the final.

BTW, I always remember that it was FRANCE who INVENTED the world cup in the first place (and the European championships). It was FRANCE who gifted the world with the biggest show on earth every 4 years, far as I’m concerned the French should get an automatic berth in the tournament just for that.

As a Brazilian who is well aware of our record against France, I for one certainly hope that we do NOT get France in our group. France are our bogey team, I don’t care how poorly they’re playing. They ALWAYS raise their game against us, while Brazil always goes up against France with a fatal complacency and arrogance.

If i were a brazilian, i’d want France in my group. hear me out.

I rather lose to them in the group stage, rather than in the 2nd portion of the tornament.

i know i know, just cuss you play them in the group stage, doesnt meant you wont play them in the 2nd stage, but at least i’ll have some idea on how to counter them the 2nd time around.

or am i just a newbie to such things?

OMG what a replacement for Titi;
The future is bright and he was born in Lille, however not his fault that his parents are from Congo, please don’t hold that against him. LOL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFY2IUiaP68&feature=related
This dude is MAGIC!

non non non
no to kakuta, no to saivet, and no to gueye.

hoping for
spain
ghana
australia
france

Kakuta looks fantastic. I saw him come on as a sub for Chelsea a couple weeks ago or so, and just in the little time he was on he looked like a player with different ideas – a very exciting prospect, the kind of player I would love to see playing for France. I tend to hate Chelsea, but I’d watch them with Kakuta on the pitch, at least to get a better feel for how good he really is.

Nobody has said this so I’ll say it myself: please, pray to the Gods to get drawn with Italy. And beat them. With a header (j/k!). Now that’s an awesome draw.

I love the enthusiasm on this site, too!

Les Bleus do not deserve to be in Pot 1…yes they made a terrific run in the last world cup. However the 2002 World Cup – 1 draw, 2 losses, zero goals scored – Euro 2006 – 1 draw, 2 losses, 1 goal scored. Qualifier for the WC…well we all know how that went.

Of course it will be interesting to see who France draw and more important how the game schedule falls – let us say France draw Brazil, but the game is the third game of the groups, both nations might already be qualified for the knock out round so roll out their “B” side…the draw is important but the way games are scheduled is just as important!

http://thebeantownfrog.blogspot.com/2009/12/world-cup-potsfrance-get-what-they.html

anyway…………….Allez les bleus. Et vive les Français!

You folks might be interested to know this:

I saw a news segment on Globo TV yesterday (Brazil’s largest TV network) and they were reporting on the seeding announcement. They of course focused on the news re France. The anchor said to the reporter on the ground “well, we’ll just have to hope that Brazil doesn’t get France in our group.” The reporter said “but we could still get France later in the tournament, it would be just our luck. Maybe Dunga can finally break the France spell against us.”

Not to rehash the Henry hand ball, but fantastic video on Roy Keane discussing the play –

http://thebeantownfrog.blogspot.com/2009/12/roy-keane-on-ireland-v-france-and-hand.html

Ah I almost like the man now!

Sarah,
I agree with everything you said…

I have no problem with being in another pot, I think it will be a good opportunity to prove and find ourselves early. And in the group stage it might be sufficient to tie a game against a big gun. But hey, we’re good at tying games! As long as we don’t drop too many points against the Pot2 and Pot3 teams. If we’re not capable to go through, then so be it.

As for the possiblity of an Algeria/France game, many people here in France refer to it as a “nightmare”. You have to remember the very sad friendly which was played a couple of weeks after 9/11, it was awful with Zidane booed off the field, the minute of silence mocked, etc. I think the players would have to make a special display of respect and friendship during the game (and please no handball).

Sandrahn, I agree much! the WC, the Euros AND the modern Olympics!

Sarah, I forgot the modern Olympics, good one!

GFC, I hadn’t seen the actual press conference with Keane (tho I’d read about it). Thanks for the link, absolutely fantastic stuff from Keane.

France has a lot of young talent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvtdBjRZHZE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5Ik3dqlrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doOaGiQrM00&feature=related

I doubt any of them will be playing in South Africa, but the future is bright (and by the time these guys are in their prime, Domenech will be long gone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXrr8v3XKQg&feature=related

should marseille ask for a replay

Adam, that Sissoko goal was magnificent. Tomorrow is the big day everyone, I don’t know whether I should be scared, or excited. I remain one of the few optimistic French fans like Sarah, and the majority of the gang here on this blog. We have to stop talking about “if Domenech leaves”, because he won’t. France has to deal with him, let’s not use him as an excuse, let’s TRY! I know that we can do it, we’ve done it before!

As a side note, these players (introduced by Foreverzidane and Adam) are only further proof of the talent in France’s Ligue 1! Gael Kakuta (Chelsea) is definitely one to watch in the future. I’m glad that he is getting some first team action with Chelsea while his ban is lifted. I am not really a Chelsea fan with the exception of a few individual players such as Essien and now Kakuta (sorry, Anelka and Malouda are not my favorite French players).

@Adam: Agreed. It is unfortunate that younger players are not getting their opportunities in the national team, but it is always hard to break through in a team with as much depth as France. This is why players such as Valbuena,Cheyrou and Menez have never been part of the team.

Though, I have to say I think we are lopsided. We have strikers and attacking players in abundance, but I think we are very shallow in defensive positions. Even our defenders are sometimes better attackers than defenders– sometimes our left/right backs become wingers (evra, sagna etc). I wish Mexes and Flamini were given more opportunities since they are such good defensive-minded players. Even if they aren’t starters, they provide good competition for the holders to make sure that the starting 11 are motivated to bring their “A game.”

@Doume: I wasn’t as involved in football at the time of the Algeria friendly, but I have read a lot about it. The thought of playing them in the WC scares me for a lot of reasons: 1)even though Algeria play horribly away from home, they will be REALLY motivated to beat France (and they have talented players) 2) Even if France succeed at this tournament, they will not receive the support of some parts of France if they do well at the expense of Algeria 3) What if Sarkozy tries to make the players leave the field if their anthem is booed?

@Sandrahn: You bring up a good point about France’s past WC performance, but I’m more in favor of giving weight to the most recent games over historical games. Afterall, those WC performances were taken into account because we received massive points for winning and appearing in the finals. I’m not sure if there needs to be any additional weight given to those games beyond those points. It just seems to reduce the transparency (what little there is with FIFA) of the sport by giving additional qualitative factors more weight in the process. It also just screams of nepotism, which makes all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories seem more credible. I think overall though we both agree though.

Sarah, when I mentioned France’s recent WC performances, I did NOT mean that that should be taken into account in the seeding issue. Tho I understand that you and others might’ve thought that’s what I meant, I didn’t explain myself well enuf.

My only intention was to challenge the dismissive, sneering attitude toward the French by so many on this blog and elsewhere. I was reacting to what I see as persistent belittling of France’s achievements at these tournaments, trying to point out that those achievements exist and they should be recognized instead of ignored. There’s so much criticism of this France team as absolute crap yadayadayada (and I’ve joined in much of that criticism) and the whole Henry hysteria added to it, that I just wanted to step back a minute and point out that France are not to be taken lightly, that they have achieved quite a bit in the last 20 yrs (far more than England or any of the home nations ever have), esp. given the fact that French enthusiasm for football does not have the institutional and historical strength like it has in Italy and Brazil.

As for the ranking and seeding issues….I was glad to see that FIFA changed the system after the 2006 wc. The old system was static. Brazil was still ranked #1 in 2006 regardless of their performances after the 2002 wc. The new system is still flawed but much better and more reflective of actual performances. Again, I have no issue with France not being seeded, France really doesn’t deserve to be given its qualifying campaign.

Sarah,
As much as I would like to forget this sad game of 01, well, it showed we were not necessarily the home team in Paris.
I completely agree also with what you said about the extra motivation, the resentment towards those who chose to play for France, etc etc. Plus the Algerian team has skills, quickness and the kind of game that bothers France’s slow building a lot. A lot of heart too.
Again I think it’s up to the players (who are friends and respect each other) to make a show of respect and good faith to put things in a sport level. But purely footballistically speaking, it would be a very electric and thrilling game. Who knows what the draw reserves us. Let’s be prepared for the most mind-boggling stuff! It’ll be fun. In some ways I think it’d be fun to be part of something special called the “group of Hell” or soemthing

@Sandrahn: Agreed. It is just as disrespectful to be dismissive of France as it is for France to be entitled. At the same time, some of the other “cusp teams” shouldn’t be entitled either.

@Doume: Yes, we are probably the only team that should be grateful to not have “home advantage” (since it really doesn’t advantage us). And this isn’t just about playing former colonies. For example, after the Argentina game, Evra said that the Argentina players said they felt like THEY (Argentina) were playing at home. Yet another thing in our favor for South Africa.

The draw tomorrow will be interesting that is for sure! As a reminder, People in the US can watch the draw live tomorrow on ESPN2. Here is a link with the local times for the draw– http://www.gambling911.com/sports/what-time-2010-fifa-world-cup-draw-120309.html

the real french young talents are
menez
obertan
coquelin
mollo
riviere
bourgeois
monnet-paquet

Michel-Olivier: Yes, those players have also demonstrated a lot of talent, I am particularly fond of Coquelin (the new Makelele). I wish he played more, but he is still young.

Great to see Coquelin mentioned, looks a fantastic prospect. I watch Arsenal reserve games online and he just looks great, I wish he were older, we need his grit and fearlessness.

live draw happening now– http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/world-cup-2010-draw-liveblogtacular.html

weakest group – unbelievable!!

South Africa, Uruguay, and Mexico.

It’ll be that much worse if we don’t advance.

D & G – groups of death.

SA, Uruguay and Mexico !

That’s a very winable group !

definitely G.

should be – very winnable.

I think B, D and G are all tough

no weak teams in D though. all very solid, dangerous.

FIFA Rankings (for what they’re worth):
France – 7
SA – 86
Mexico – 15
Uruguay – 19

yes, B’s tricky too.

What a great draw. Of all the seeded teams in Pot 1, we got the team that’s only seeded because their the hosts. Easily winnable. Never know with “that guy” though.

Doesn’t matter how weak it is, France are very capable of messing this up. Still, I’m happy with the draw. Don’t think the S. Africa game will be easy. In the Confed Cup, Brazil’s game v. S. Africa was very difficult. The difference between them was a late substition by Dunga (Dani Alves) who scored a fantastic free kick – the game’s only goal.

Who’s got the scouting reports on Mexico and Uruguay. Must be plenty of Americans who’ve seen Mexico playing a lot in the last few years.

Uruguay is a tough, rugged team. Expect red cards

like take your leg off tackles

We’ve got to win that group. Such a good opportunity to get some early confidence. Fantastic draw. I can’t be pessimistic with that draw.

Mexico is actually a very talented team, esp post sven erikson. Carlos Vela and Giovani Santos are really talented and of course Barcelona’s Marquez has a lot of experience.

Didn’t France beat Uruguay in a friendly-run up to Euro08?

it’s not going to be a walk in the park. but a) a walk in the park is not good prep for the knockout stages, and b) it’s still the weakest group, i think.

Wow. This was a fortunate draw. Ireland can’t be happy.

We played them in a recent World Cup or two, I believe.

Ireland, who ?

If Carlos Vela is going to be our undoing, he’ll have to improve on his recent club performances 100 fold (which admittedly is quite possible).

England’s group looks easy too.

Uruguay’s qualifying results, including 0-4 drubbing at home to Brazil:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/southamerica/teams/team=43930/fixturesresults.html

I don’t think Mexico is a good as we’ve seen them before … they almost beat a really good Argintinean side in 06.

Yes, both the US and England appear to be very happy with their group. Slovenia is the smallest nation at the WC (in tems of population), but they played well against Russia.

So how many Irish are screaming that France cheat and set the group up. I mean, THE ANNOUNCER WAS FRENCH! oh dear god! YES FRANCE AND SOUTH AFRICA, I wish we were in the opening game though

I love how everyone (particularly US supporters) are completely underestimated Algeria. LOL @ some guy on another forum saying Belhadj was their best player.

At this stage, no easy teams, really; but we dodged the first bullet! Domenech’s ultimate chance at redemption; much better draw than Euro 08. I feel for the seeded Brazilians who got Portugal!
Uruguay is by no means easy to play; in 2002 I think we did 0-0 with them in group stage?
Mexico, we’ll see but I guess the key will be their defense.
SA will be supported by the crowd, but we’re used to that (Belgrade, Dublin)

Do we remember how being the opening game in 2002 worked out against an African nation?

Jao: I agree. I think Algeria will be tough, but they typically only play well at home.

CB, we play South Africa last. We get the two decent nations first.

I watch Mexico and South American teams pretty regularly. Vela in the national team is fantastic, as is Dos Santos. Mexico have been great in their last few games, really wonderful to watch. I do think France can beat them, tho. Uruguay are, as Sarah said, really hard players, they play rough. France better prepare for a bruising game.

Are you sure the announcer was French? He could’ve been Swiss or Belgian.

And did anyone notice Charlize Theron’s little reaction to France being put in an easy group? Obnoxious on her part (she also came out with an Ireland t-shirt or flag in the flag-raising ceremony).

Brazil have a tough group. We did thrash our last game v. Portugal (6-2). We couldn’t beat them when Felipao was the coach but now with Queiroz, I don’t fear them so much. It’s the game v. Ivory Coast that’s got me concerned, they’re very good and very tough.

I think that each of these teams will be difficult – we shouldn’t be too cocky- but none of them are invincible. South Africa will have the crowd support and I think it is better to play them later in the group. They will come out of the gate strong and there will be a lot of excitement. Uruguay will be physically tough and my biggest worry is the injuries they will inflict on our team (who tend to not be very physically tough). I think this will be like watching a Stoke/Hull City vs. Arsenal game – hopefully we will get a better result. But, I bet Uruguay will lose at least 1-2 players to red cards/suspensions. Mexico will be a wild card. They will show up and dazzle or just fail. They are a young team though so there is a question over if they can handle the pressure.

Jao, I was just responding to not being able to be the first match of the Cup as stated by Jean Francois, but yeah, closing with (hopefully) a S. African team that is already out would be nice.

And why is it that Italy always get the easiest group?

So what’s the scenario if France make it to the round of 16?

Who are they likely to play?

Sandrhn: Yes, but she is actress so she is hardly an authority on the subject. She probably thinks she is being funny.

Domenech just gave Mexico’s coach a France shirt………well he is a Sagittarius.

Sandahn: Italy had a tough Euro group (France and the Netherlands)

Steven: The bracket is here – so we will play Group B leader or second place depending on how we do in the group. If we win the group, we will play Nigeria/Greece/NK and if we only place second we will play Argentina.

Sorry- forgot the link- http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/kostage.html

That’s right Doume. That’s the match where Henry was red-carded about 5 minutes in, the match right after the Senegal loss.

Oh, the pain.

Spain will walk through their group, eyes closed.

ambiance secousse
i bet the domenech, sagna, evra, mandanda, diarra…. is doing saga africa since they have an easy group.

But Jean-Michel, we’re playing the first evening, and we’ll have a chance to play Uruguay 11 v 11 this time (I hope). Ahh, it’s going to be brilliant. Can’t wait.

Jean-Francois, I meant. Sorry. You look like our long-time friend Jean-Michel, at first glance.

All said, France’s draw is not so bad, but no cake walk. Playing S. Africa last will be tough if both teams have a chance to advance. (those damn horns are irritating!)

Ah, those horns. Can you imagine? What a scenario, Adam.

I’m glad they get to keep their horns, but I hope they can reduce the sound for TV (surely they have the tech to filter that noise out). People who see it live and the players should deal with it- the benefits outweighs the harm.

While France always plays well against Mexico, I would have preferred to take them on first rather than Uruguay, who are much more than mere bruisers: See near-world-class striker Luis Suarez, who scores at a phenomenal rate for Ajax. While on paper this is certainly among the easier groups, all three opponents (given that the Bafana Bafana are playing at home) could cause problems for any team. I’m not looking ahead … or, at least, no further than Nigeria in the second round.

Prince: at least Francescoli isn’t playing anymore
Jeff: you said it, oh the pain…
Sandrahn: even then, I still have a crush on Charlize. We’ll have to convince her with our game!

Doumé says: SA will be supported by the crowd, but we’re used to that (Belgrade, Dublin)

Stade de France…

And about Charlize, Doumé? You and every male on the planet. Including Sidney Govou.

LOL, Doume! Hopefully France will wow her enuf to change her mind.

Sarah, re Italy, I stand corrected. Re the horns: “the benefits outweighs the harm” — can’t agree. What are the benefits? The vuvuzelas are a recent phenomenon, they’re NOT traditional (I’ve spent time in S. Africa, long before the horns arrived), they’re made in China, for heaven’s sake. And I predict that this wc will have casual worldwide audiences flee in droves. They’ll stop watching because they won’t tolerate those horrible horns. The vuvzelas are totally destructive of the atmosphere — you can’t hear the crowd’s response to the game, you can’t hear anything. African football crowds are wonderful to hear at games, the horns will totally drown them out. And it will definitely affect players. The only players outside Africa who at least are prepared for it are the ones who played in the Confed Cup.

I predict TV networks and advertisers (and thus FIFA) will lose out big time financially because people in countries with large populations with a lot of casual fans who only watch the sport when the wc comes around (the US, Australia, Canada, India) will simply change the channel and stop watching. It happened during the Confed Cup.

After the first five minutes, I didn’t find the vuvuzelas at Confederations Cupat all distracting. Then again, I have kids and can tune out anything.

i did not see the theron “incident,” but whatever she did, could it be possible that she was expressing disappointment/annoyance that her south african team drew probably the most difficult pot 4 opponent, hence it was really a back-handed compliment??

I’m not studied on the issue, but I think the horns are a disaster. It seems like something people would play with if they not actually interested in the match. Again, I don’t really know, but how can blowing one of those things for 90 minutes enhance a person’s appreciation for the footie on the pitch, and those things are seriously annoying. I’m missing the upside. I first heard them at American soccer matches, I think, and I was far from impressed.

What is supposedly the upside – that the stadiums would be deathly quiet otherwise, or even empty because the people mostly only go to blow their horns?

Oh, I’m right there with my pal Sidney Govou:)
(and a few others)

Jeff, believe me, having gone to several football matches in Africa (incl. about 7 or 8 in S. Africa), the LAST thing that they are is “quiet” without the vuvuzelas. That’s what’s so terrible: African crowds are WONDERFUL at football matches, they dance, they sing (beautifully), they chant, they play drums and various instruments, they react brilliantly to what happens during the game, they never stop, they create fantastic banter with supporters of opponents, they are perfect audiences to liven up football games. That is what is so tragic — the vuvuzelas totally drown them out.

France did dodge a bullet…actually SEVEN of them…of course domenech will most likely mess this up and France will end in 3rd place

More on my rant about group A –
http://thebeantownfrog.blogspot.com/2009/12/france-draw-hostand-dodge-bullet.html

sandrahn – Nothing beats a good stadium atmosphere. I’m surprised they want to play those things. Like Laurie, I can get used to them, but compared to good crowd noise, which I love, it’s hugely disappointing. (I’ll even put up with ESPN’s JP Dellacamera for good crowd noise).

Everyone keeps their fingers crossed against crooked France.

And it will work.

again lets try to do something it mught not be much but at least you can say you tried, who cares if it doesn’t happen with zidane but the result stays the same get rid of domenech. please sign and spread at will http://www.petitiononline.com/france10/petition.html
if it happens atleast you can say you had a part in it.

Couldn’t be better. The butchers on Uruguay better watch out for “LAS” he will dish out some of his finest chops!

sorry to burst your bubble, but for whoever thinks group A is an “easy” group for France, they’re in for a big surprise.

Don’t know much about Uruguay, but from what I’ve seen/heard, they’re a rough team. Not sure if France is used to that type of football.

South Africa… Obviously not the strongest team of the 4 in group A, however they have not only the home crowd with them, but the referee’s as well. Look at Japan 2002. Every home team always makes it to the next round. So France, you better beat South Africa because if you dont… well chances of advancing will dwindle.

Last, but certainly not least, Mexico. Quite possibly the strongest team in Pot 2, your most crucial game would be against us. Like i said, South Africa has pretty much an automatic free-pass to the Round of 16, leaving France/Mexico/Uruguay fending for that last spot. like someone mentioned, as soon as we ditched Erikson and got Aguirre back, we’ve been on a roll. with Vela, Dos Santos, Marquez, Blanco, we’ll have a pretty solid team this time around.

and according to ELO rankings (Fifa rankings are rubbish imho), there’s only a 7 point difference between MEX/FRA/URG. This is certainly the group of death, its just that naive people get all distracted with big name teams and quickly label a certain group, the group of death.

AND NEVER FORGET THE HAND OF TH. HENRY:

HIS TEAM WILL PAY DEARLY:

DOOMED TO FARE AS IN 2002: Out Phhhhhthhhh…

iustitia and all those saying that france will fall to karma are idiots, ireland are the ones that fell to karma if you want to think about it like that look at there goal vs georgia to qualify for the knock out stage of the world cup, things just got balanced out.

Thanks for the post! Great information.